HOW...Bi women and men relate to each other..

[zenn7]

Ive always had a hunch that this is one of those topics where men are from mars and...so get over it..
My theory is that most bi men would alwaysconsider dating/marrying a bi woman...but the reverse simply doesnt hold true.. Women be brutally honest and speak up.

[NMCowboys]

Ive always had a hunch that this is one of those topics where men are from mars and...so get over it..
My theory is that most bi men would always date/marry a bi woman...but the reverse simply doesnt hold true.. Women be brutally honest and speak up.

Why are you assuming that most bisexual men partner to a woman, or marry a woman? A lot of us bisexual men can and do partner with bisexual men, and even marry with other bisexual men.

[zenn7]

Why are you assuming that most bisexual men partner to a woman, or marry a woman? A lot of us bisexual men can and do partner with bisexual men, and even marry with other bisexual men.

My appologies that I didnt express this to avoid that misunderstanding...but the title was How bi women and men relate to each other....

[Bipartisan1982]

@NMCowboys, pretty sure he wasn't assuming most bi men end up dating or marrying women because he used the word 'consider". He was simply saying he believes most bi men would be open to dating bi women while the reverse doesn't seem true. In my experience from when I used to peruse online dating sites and from the few bi women I've known most of them seemed to have little to know interest in dating men period. Now certainly that can be misleading as most women have little trouble meeting men offline but may be more hesitant/secretive about meeting women offline. Plus if they are looking for their first same sex experience it makes since that they would have little interest in men at the time. I've only known a few bi women in person (at least only a few that were out) but they also seemed to prefer woman. Once again it's not enough information to really form a solid opinion. As far as how bi men and bi women relate I have one bi female friend that said she thinks all bi men are really just gay (talk about hypocritical) and I've certainly talked to my fair share of bi women online that had zero interest in dating a bi man.

Overall I think it's much harder for bi men to be accepted because a lot of people including bi women just assume bi men are really just gay men that haven't completely accepted their homosexuality. Another view I've encountered is that there is just something emasculating about two men having sex as if it automatically makes you feminine. While a bi woman may have no problem dating a feminine woman or hanging out with her feminine gay friend she doesn't want to date a man that she views as being feminine. As far as I'm concerned I would love to date an accepting and sexually open minded bi woman. One that was open to inviting other men and women in the bedroom for some fun.

[tenni]

I do have to think that there is more than a grain of truth about bimen and women generally. Women generally have difficulty accepting bisexual men as a partner. I think that Bipartisan has touched upon some of the reasons. It is most disappointing to read when a bisexual woman states that she doesn't want to have a relationship with another bisexual man. This statement is not made that often though but it sure is puzzling. There are reports of bisexual women being in relationships with biguys on this site. It might be interesting to read the results of a survey on this question directed to bisexual women and hetero women.

[NjbiGuy01]

I don't know in my case...I think I could be happy with a non-bi wife who understood me and my needs. I met an ex girlfriend who is now gay, and we discussed that I'm bi...we talked about whether I would live with a male partner or if she might consider living we me as a bi woman not gay....we were both ambivalent about it..."yeah, maybe, not-sure, perhaps"... stimulating and interesting conversation with no solid resolution...I get your point, as in society and swinging, there is still double standards and men and woman viewing bi or gay men or women differently.

[Fzmr9t]

I kinda relate this to other things that happen in 'nature', that, if one sex does it, it's ok, but when done by the opposite sex, it raises eyebrows.
1) bathroom visits (potty, loo, whatever): in a group of mixed individuals, women can and do, go to the bathroom together. To have 2 men do that would result in comments about their sexuality however jokingly those comments are made.
2) hand holding: women do it, men, only to say hello , or "nice to meet you". Unless you're trying show your strength by crushing (your opponents hand)
3) kissing: women, as long as the tongue stays put, a non issue. Men? Forehead, cheeks (facial not gluteus). Unless you're 'the gawdfather, and someone you know just screwed up royally.

[NMCowboys]

I kinda relate this to other things that happen in 'nature', that, if one sex does it, it's ok, but when done by the opposite sex, it raises eyebrows.
1) bathroom visits (potty, loo, whatever): in a group of mixed individuals, women can and do, go to the bathroom together. To have 2 men do that would result in comments about their sexuality however jokingly those comments are made.
2) hand holding: women do it, men, only to say hello , or "nice to meet you". Unless you're trying show your strength by crushing (your opponents hand)
3) kissing: women, as long as the tongue stays put, a non issue. Men? Forehead, cheeks (facial not gluteus). Unless you're 'the gawdfather, and someone you know just screwed up royally.

1. Not necessarily. Have you ever been in the military? Or in a bar or club where a lot of men are drinking alcohol and have to piss at once?

2.It's not like this in all cultures. See below.

3.That's a really ignorant and racist comment about Siclian people. In various Latin cultures including in central and southern Italy, Spain, Portugal, France, Latin American and South American countries, Mediterranean countries, Arabic countries, and certain Asian countries, men kiss each other and it's not a big deal.

[Fzmr9t]

Sporting events, I go to a lot of em. Big diff in that situation and guys getting up from a table and all saying let's go to pee. Number 3 was a joke about the god father movies from the 70s. Geeez

[biinlou]

I dated a bisexual woman for three years. She not only accepted my bisexuality ,but encouraged it. At he same time she actually preferred bisexual men. I'm sure that this is not a typical type of relationship. Things got a complicated at times. I would not recommend it. I do believe though, bi men and bi women can strike up a very good chemistry.

[zenn7]

I kinda relate this to other things that happen in 'nature', that, if one sex does it, it's ok, but when done by the opposite sex, it raises eyebrows.
1) bathroom visits (potty, loo, whatever): in a group of mixed individuals, women can and do, go to the bathroom together. To have 2 men do that would result in comments about their sexuality however jokingly those comments are made.
2) hand holding: women do it, men, only to say hello , or "nice to meet you". Unless you're trying show your strength by crushing (your opponents hand)
3) kissing: women, as long as the tongue stays put, a non issue. Men? Forehead, cheeks (facial not gluteus). Unless you're 'the gawdfather, and someone you know just screwed up royally.

Loved the Gawdfather thing...but seriously this poster may be on to something re "Nature"...All those species that require the male to do an elaborate song and dance before they are judged to be a possibility...But then were not apes anymore..perhaps the crème de la crème of female bisexuality can see far more here. But then the women HAVE made a very real point in their deafening silence....

[NjbiGuy01]

I had an interesting discussion recently with a married bi guy. He's on a swing website as a couple, he's straight, married to a woman listed as bi, and they play with women. He told me his wife doesn't know he's bi, and doesn't want to tell her. It's "okay" for him to accept her being bi, yet he fears her accepting that he is or might be.... I've heard this from a number of men previously. I've seen plenty of ads online for couples or women looking for partners to play with and some women who may be looking for men are outright rude about "no bi men" ! And (you guessed it), they are listed as bi women...Seems the double standards apply here too.

[NMCowboys]

I had an interesting discussion recently with a married bi guy. He's on a swing website as a couple, he's straight, married to a woman listed as bi, and they play with women. He told me his wife doesn't know he's bi, and doesn't want to tell her. It's "okay" for him to accept her being bi, yet he fears her accepting that he is or might be.... I've heard this from a number of men previously. I've seen plenty of ads online for couples or women looking for partners to play with and some women who may be looking for men are outright rude about "no bi men" ! And (you guessed it), they are listed as bi women...Seems the double standards apply here too.

Who would expect swingers to be bastions of equality or actual sexual freedom, or LGBT rights at all?

If a man is closeted about his sexuality he's got a lot more major issues besides just being closeted and compartmentalized about his sexuality.

[cuttin2dachase]

"If a man is closeted about his sexuality he's got a lot more major issues besides just being closeted and compartmentalized about his sexuality.'

Whoa here, Cowboy ! Now you've done gone and put a burr under my saddle ! I dare say that there are millions more conservative, closeted LGBT people than there are liberal and 'out' LGBT people. It's the latter group that has all the "issues". There is nothing wrong in choosing to compartmentalize aspects of one's personal and private lives. Most of us are comfortable and happy in our own skin and feel no need or compulsion to come out and embrace what is just another insidious liberal nazi effort intended to force more of its elitist, selfish, destructive socialist agenda on the majority and entitle a small, but vocal minority who already has the same rights as the silent majority. The tide is turning in this country. So-called political incorrectness is the new political correctness.

[liberlib]

Actually, there is a serious error here but it is a 'natural' one. The hand holding and some of the other behaviors between men and men and women and women is a cultural issue. There are cultures active in the world where it is appropriate for men to hold men's hands going down the street but a man and woman holding hands implies that she (and, by extension, he) is a person of low morals. Kissing rules also vary with some surprises in cross-culture events. It sometimes seems bizarre to me but in three of the countries that I have been to where men holding men's hands and kissing as a greeting is a common practice has some of the harshest rules about homosexuality--but that surprise may be my own cultural upbringing and hidden biases.