thanks giving

[Mrs. Taz]

it has come to my attention that some of you dont know the meaning of thanks giving. well I am here to show you some proof of what thanks giving is all about and you know that the pilgrams and indians united to have the first thanks giving that we were ever tought about. but (I know we dont normaly bring religion into the site) I wanted to show you something else.

Ephesians 5:20---- giving thanks always for all things to God the Father in the name of

Our Lord Jesus Christ

Psalm 501:4--------Offer to God thanksgiving…

Psalm 10:4---------Enter into His gates with thanksgiving

And into His courts with praise

Be thankful to Him, and bless His name

For the Lord is good;

His mercy is everlasting

And His truth endures to all generations.

[Mrs. Taz]

wanted to also let you all know none of this is meant to make anyone mad.

[Mrs. Taz]

Just another tid bit of news.
the Pilgrims came to America to get away from the British government who was forcing them to follow a different kind of religion, rather than what the bible teaches, and I am not sure if I am remembering history correctly, but I am thinking that religion was Catholicism…. And a bunch of them knew that was not right so they came to America to escape their government who was putting people in jail that did not follow their beliefs. Sometime after they got to America , (Plymouth Rock), the indians befriended them .So that is where Thanksgiving came from.

I think as the white people then began to travel and move to different parts of the States, the evil Indians, ( such as the apaches), began to kill the white people, and that’s when the trouble started.

So Thanksgiving did start with the pilgrims, and they were very close followers of God and came here to worship God the way the bible teached to do, and this whole country then was started with deep Christian roots and its so sad that so many people do not believe in God and want to change this country to be persecuted for believing in God and take God out of everything when it was all started with God to begin with, and the only reason it happened was belief in God.It is very close to becoming exactly what the pilgrims were trying to escape from.

again not meant to make anyone mad, just another bit of something to think/know about. :)

[BRIARPATCH]

EVIL INDIANS??? Native americans is the proper term.how would you feel if people came over here today and tried take away everything you know and your way of life ? Wouldn't you fight and try to defend your homeland ?Do you think the Native Americans celebrated thanksgiving yesterday? I doubt it.So I thnk the term you used "evil" was not appropriate ,maybe since it is evident that everyone reading these post's has access to the internet maybe we should all investigate a little.You know what they say "it is a world of knowledge is at your fingertips." Just do a little investigating and you will see who the "evil" people were.You will probably be surprised and feel a little guilty yourself ,I know I do.

[Mrs. Taz]

like i said b4 wasnt meant to make people mad.....also i asked my sis 2 help me with this,the word was suppoesed to be taken lightly.

[BRIARPATCH]

the word EVIL taken lightly?

[canuckotter]

So Thanksgiving did start with the pilgrims, and they were very close followers of God and came here to worship God the way the bible teached to do, and this whole country then was started with deep Christian roots and its so sad that so many people do not believe in God and want to change this country to be persecuted for believing in God and take God out of everything when it was all started with God to begin with, and the only reason it happened was belief in God.It is very close to becoming exactly what the pilgrims were trying to escape from.

Actually, while many came here to escape religious persecution, there was a huge variety of religious denominations that were all trying to avoid being burned at the stake (apparently Europe was very cold at the time and burning people was the only way to stay warm? who knows), many of which really did not get along well -- and that's putting it mildly. The strong seperation between church and state was actually very strongly insisted on by many of the groups that now claim it shouldn't exist, because many of those groups were, at the time, the smaller, weaker denominations that would have been obliterated had church/state seperation not been enshrined in the Constitution. In fact, Jefferson even wanted to ban Thanksgiving because it was a purely Christian holiday, but was convinced not to.

I find it ironic that the faiths that are trying so hard to enforce their religion on the rest of the country only exist because of the church/state seperation that they bitch and moan about. :)

[codybear3]

the word EVIL taken lightly?

Cool...I always wanted to be an evil Apache, but I turned out to be a little more funny..er...(as in humor, not gay) rather than "evil"... :tongue: :paw: :paw:

[photogr]

Ah Mrs TAZ, tis good to have a 'istory lesson, wi' good book thrown in fer good measure, said in my best west country accent ;) , for the pilgrims were from the south west of England were they not? Every year in England in November we 'give thanks' by burning an effigy of a catholic, (for they stopped us burning real ones ;) ) and celebrate the failure of the papist plot to blow up the king with gunpowder. Tony Blair the PM will be making this illegal soon as he is like the biggest catholic ever and even the pope calls him Tone! Good onyer Mrs Taz!! Long may we celebrate:tongue:

[Herbwoman39]

I'd just like to add that you don't have to be christian to be thankful.

My Pagan family and I share a tradition that when we all sit down around the table we each share what we have been most thankful for during this past year.

I'm sure you meant well Mrs. Taz. I'd like to point out though that in this day and age of political correctness, using the word "evil" in conjunction with an antiquated reference to the Native American peoples is probably not going to win popularity contests regardless of the initial intention.

[jaglvr]

The Calvinists (pilgrims) that everyone usually associates with this holiday were religious extremists in England. Though on and off there was intolerance from the state for protestants and at other times catholics, primarily it was the social ostracism that they were escaping. They were very draconian in there social habits and in todays perspective very repressive so generally unpopular with the population at large. Coming here they intended to establish a sort of utopian society. The Native Americans assisted the new colonists as a gesture of goodwill and the Calvinists were grateful though keen on converting the Natives. A great many different religous sects eventually attempted to establish little utopias though only the Menonites, Amish, and later the Mormons still exist in any number. The "civilized" white mans push toward the West is what eventually prompted the wars that followed with the Native Americans. Enough history for today. :flag3:

[Mrs. Taz]

just wanted to say thank you to photogr. :)

[Mrs. Taz]

I have said it once and will say it again, I wanted help putting this together so my sister helped me, she was the one who chose to say evil.

[photogr]

Mrs Taz, I knew what you meant. XXX